named danny casolaro. host: how did you find him? guest: i was studying the private prison industry, and i started looking into the history of a company, which had the first private prison in america, but it also had a huge multinational security concern, and i started digging into the company and learned about edit secure -- an obscure plan to manufacture biological and chemical weapons and night vision goggles and machine guns on a native american reservation in the coach altobelli, and that danny casolaro got folded into that research because he was looking into that operation as well as part of a larger book project he was working on in the last year of his life at the end of which he died mysteriously. host: how long have you been working on "the octopus m urders." guest: i started in 2012. host: and when did you finish? guest: the movie came out on netflix just a month ago. i am still researching it. i guess i have not quit. host: you are about 12 years into this at this point. would you consider it an obsession? guest: yes, bu